An Interview with Real-Life Student Entrepreneurs

Ashwin Bharambe and Shashank Pandit are Computer Science grad students at Carnegie Mellon University. They are also the founders of Buxfer.com, a popular online shared-expense tracking site that has grown to support a lot of personal finance functionality. They have been covered by the Associated Press, Wall Street Journal, TechCrunch, Lifehacker and NetBanker just to name a few. In fact, just last week, Online Banking Report named them "OBR Best of the Web" as a new innovative "social finance" site. Currently, they have over 28,000 registered users and counting. Oh, and did I mention that they have accomplished all this in less than 9 months (they started the site in October 2006)? Without further ado, I present to you, Ashwin and Shashank.

ISPF: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the time to talk with me and my readers. Let’s start at the very beginning. What gave you the idea initially to start a shared-expense tracking website? What made you go public and pursue this as an entrepreneurial venture?

Ashwin: The site grew out of our own needs in grad school. We used to go out for dinner in a group almost every single day. So it was incredibly painful to keep splitting the tab at every restaurant - all we needed was a simple ledger to record who paid when. Just saying "I will cover it for you this time" does not work when expenses are too many, too big or when many people are involved. So we wrote a small script for this purpose, I sent it to my friends and it kept spreading. That was when we realized we could put up a website and let everybody use it. That's how Buxfer was born.



We liked our own site because it made money management so simple for all of us. Gone were the days of worrying about who owed whom how much and being tensed because somebody felt they were being taken advantage of. In effect, it took away the guilt out of borrowing from friends. This realization convinced us that what we had built could be valuable to many people and become a base for our entrepreneurial venture. Luckily, we were also covered by the Associated Press around the same time which gave us a lot of confidence and many users. That's when we decided to jump into the fray!

ISPF: You mentioned to me earlier that being accepted into the YCombinator program was an important factor influencing your decision to step into the entrepreneurial world. Can you please share with us more details about what the YCombinator program is and how it works?

Ashwin: Sure. YCombinator is a seed-investment firm which invests a small amount of money (roughly $15K-$25K) to fledgling new companies. They invest in batches - two per year. The summer program is held in Boston, MA while the winter program in Mountain View, CA. All startups funded in a batch need to move to the corresponding location for about 12 weeks. Every week, there's a dinner where some luminary in the entrepreneurial world gives a talk. The real value of YCombinator is in two things: working with the YCombinator partners (Paul, Jessica, Trevor) and the other startups can do wonders to your product and your thinking. Secondly, you get fantastic connections into the tech and investment world instantaneously. Also, YCombinator has now funded quite a few companies - we can tap into the networks of these companies as well.

ISPF: I am sure starting something like this is a lot of work. I have no doubts that the grad program in CMU is equally demanding as well. How did you manage to balance the two?

Shashank: It is indeed a lot of work, but when you are passionate about something, it doesn't feel like work :) We made it a point to work on research during office hours and focused on Buxfer during our free time on weekdays and weekends.

ISPF: There are a lot of youngsters out there bitten by the entrepreneurial bug and want to quit school to pursue their entrepreneurial dreams. Since you have been on both sides of the fence, what would your advice be to such people?

Shashank: I wouldn't advise people to quit school, at least not the under-graduate program. But sometimes, like in our case, an opportunity can just come calling - they should just go for it then. From my experience, I'd say that tends to happen when you build something first to solve your own need and it turns out to be useful for others as well. As Paul Graham says, good hackers should just start companies. The web has made starting companies much easier, and I think there's nothing like first-hand raw experience at such a young age.

ISPF: You were close to graduating from school. And yet, you decided to take a leave of absence from school and pursue buxfer.com full time. Was this a difficult decision?

Ashwin: You bet! Incredibly difficult. In fact, my parents and relatives are still in a state of shock :) However, if you think carefully, it is not that much of a risk. If we fail, we will know that soon, we will learn a whole lot that no other job will teach us and we can go back and finish our studies. At a young age, we can afford such risks.

ISPF: You have had a lot of success in a very short span of time. Any secrets to your success? :)

Ashwin: There's a simple secret, if we can call it a secret, to whatever we've achieved till date. Paul Graham describes it very succinctly as MSPW - Make Something People Want. That's it, period. Focus on the user. Stop thinking about marketing deals and other irrelevant business-speak - you must do all of that, but only after you have a good product. Just realize that your product can never ever be perfect. There's ALWAYS something you can do to make it just a little bit better.

ISPF: What is involved in a successful venture like this? What are some of the typical things that you have to do in a day to make sure that the momentum keeps increasing?

Shashank: All we really do is just relentlessly innovate and improve our product. We have always focused firmly on the user and on the value Buxfer is adding to his/her life. This is simple to say but incredibly hard to implement since there are many factors pulling a startup in wildly different directions. There are many hats we need to wear, as you suggest. Talking to users, develop marketing partnerships, raise money, etc. But at the end of the day, we believe that the most important thing which will help us keep going is just pure innovation. Every single day.

ISPF: Now let’s talk a little about your background. Did you always dream that you would start a successful entrepreneurial venture? Are there any inspiring stories from your past that inspired you as a youngster to go for entrepreneurship? Any role-models?

Shashank: Personally, yes. Sometime during my undergraduate years, I developed an aversion towards doing a job in a giant company and started having this feeling of building something new myself. I can't really say some person or incident inspired me, I just felt from within that this was the thing I want to do. And since the day I got started with Buxfer, there has been no looking back. The satisfaction of building something new, and doing it on your own is immense. That itself is the biggest inspiration for me to keep moving forward. I really admire some people whom I have met during my short entrepreneurial life-span. Paul Graham possesses some kind of sixth sense for product design and understands how a product should feel to the end-user. His design and development philosophies have influenced me heavily. I also have great regard for Larry and Sergey (who doesn't!), and they are the closest to being my role-models in terms of what I want to achieve.

ISPF: So what is in the future for Buxfer? If someone offered you $100,000 for it, will you sell? How about if it were a million dollars? :)

Ashwin: We want Buxfer to become THE place on the web where people can track and understand their finances. Given this vision and our speed, I'd say a million dollars is not enough at all :)

Thanks a lot guys for taking the time to answer these questions. And Good Luck for the future! I hope some day in the near future we will talk about the two of you like we do today about Chad Hurley and Steve Chen :)

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If any of you readers have questions for Ashwin or Shashank, feel free to leave a comment below and I will forward it to them. If you are a registered user of Buxfer, do share with us about your experiences using the system.

I really enjoyed that interview. If you are a regular reader of this blog, you might have noticed that I am a big fan of weekend entrepreneurship. I love success stories, especially ones like these where people with regular day jobs go on and start something on the side and become really successful at it (if you think school is not as hard as a day job, either you did not go to college, or you went too long back and have forgotten the drudgery :) ). Such stories fill me with hope and kick off a desire to do something, instead of whiling away time in front of the TV. If you have a success story to share, you are welcome to send me a guest post or participate in an interview. Please no spam or site promotions though, and no paid posts either!

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5 Questions for Single Ma about “Women, Ethics and Personal Finance”

I might as well have titled this post - “Lesson in Ethics: What Single Ma Taught Me about Keeping Your Word”. Here’s what happened. Back in February, I hosted the Carnival of Ethics, Values and Personal Finance. In honor of the carnival I declared the whole week as Ethics, Values & Personal Finance Week and interviewed several prominent bloggers about their opinion on this matter. One of the bloggers I contacted with my list of questions was Single Ma from the popular blog Single Ma's Fabulous Financials. Unfortunately though, Single Ma was very busy at that time, and asked me if she could answer my questions later when she had some time. I said, of course, yes. Frankly though, I did not expect her to reply back. On this stage of personal finance blogging, I am a little bitty starlet, while Single Ma is a popular diva – so why would she remember to respond, right? Wrong! Imagine my surprise when I checked my mail yesterday and saw her response to my interview questions! Not only did she remember the promise she had made me, she also had spent a lot of time and effort in coming up with some really great answers! Who better to talk about "Women, Ethics and Personal Finance" than the woman who blogs about personal finance and has such good ethics?

So, without further ado, I present to you the interview with Single Ma about "Women, Ethics and Personal Finance".

ISPF: Many women in the work force get slightly lower salaries than their male counterparts, even though they are equally skilled. Obviously, this is not a problem that is going to go away overnight and we women need to gain ground inch by inch. What advice would you give for women out there in this situation?

Single Ma: This is an interesting question. In fact, I blogged about it recently right here. I think society has a LONG way to go before women are considered equal in the workforce. However, I think we [women] need to understand that earning a degree and learning the technical aspects of a job are only half the puzzle to being "equally skilled." By nature, women are nurturers, not competitors. Some of us lack the intangible skills that are required to compete in the workforce (e.g. dealing with confrontation, problem solving, politicking, negotiating, etc.) These things are NOT taught in a classroom, yet they are valuable to the progression of one's career beyond mid level. Therefore, my advice would be to brush up on those skills that are typically regarded as "manly." Get a mentor, more than one - from both sexes and of any race. Read books on negotiating and the art of persuasion. Also, know your worth, don't be afraid to ask for what you want, roll up your sleeves and PROVE that you are equally valuable and don't be discouraged by men in fancy suits.

ISPF: Women have to face the difficult question of whether to go to work to help improve the financial situation at home, or stay at home to help raise the kids in a better fashion. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to this question. How did you deal with this in your personal life and what have you learnt from your decision?

Single Ma: First, I don't think a parent staying at home helps to raise kids "in a better fashion." My mom worked and all of my friends' parents worked. Other than the typical growing pains during the teenage years, we were all raised as happy, healthy children. And turned out a-okay if I do say so myself.

As for my personal choice, I was not married when I had my daughter so caring for her and providing financially were equally important. Not only did I work, but I also pursued higher education so juggling competing priorities became a way of life for me. I don't think I've ever entertained the luxury of "staying at home." If I had to do it all over again, other than waiting until I was married before having a child, I don't know if I would choose a different path. I have a lot of respect for stay at home moms but I think I'd be bored out of my mind. I love being a mom but my career is a major part of what makes me...well...ME. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Now that she's a teen, we both have a life and we're both very happy.


ISPF: "Learning starts at home" they say. How do you teach your children basic money lessons that are solidly grounded in good values and principles?

Single Ma: Yes, yes, and yes! I do believe learning starts at home in every aspect of life. I teach my daughter basic money lessons that are solidly grounded in good values and principles by first leading by example. I've shown her the results of hard work, good money/credit management, spending wisely and planting the seed for future harvests by giving back - not only to others who are less fortunate but to anyone who is in need.

When she was younger, we had this piggy bank with four compartments: save, spend, donate, invest. It wasn't a favorite of hers. In fact, she HATED that thing because she just could not understand why she couldn't SPEND all of HER OWN money, but it sparked discussions and served as the foundation for many money lessons to come. I took advantage of every opportunity to "talk" about money almost everyday. Now at 14, it's second nature for her to mentally compartmentalize her money. She knows 10% off the top is to be saved (only when savings reach a certain limit do we invest), at least 10% (and often more at her discretion) is donated, and the rest she has the freedom to spend however she pleases. Now she's an obsessive saver so the latter is rarely a problem.

My strategies are to TALK about money anytime there's a relevant opportunity and LEAD BY EXAMPLE to reinforce the lesson.


ISPF: Women tend to be less interested in finance related issues than men in general. What got you interested in finances? Was there a defining "Aha" moment or was it something you were interested in since childhood? How can we get more women to take a more personal interest in their finances?

Single Ma: I don't know if I can pinpoint any one moment that got me interested in finance. I think it was just ingrained at childhood - not by a good role model or anyone who was financially savvy. I only witnessed people who struggled to make ends meet so I figured there MUST be an easier way. Besides, I've always been a numbers person and math was my favorite subject in school, so perhaps I was doomed from the start. LOL

How to get more women to take a more personal interest in their finances? This is a good question and I'm still trying to figure it out. The primary reason I started my blog was to share my story and appeal to women. I try to make finance lingo fun and apply it to things women care about. I've been somewhat successful, but I still have a lot of work to do. I'd love to read any ideas shared by others.


ISPF: This question is at the foundation of the Carnival of Ethics, Values and Personal Finance. I have asked this in previous interviews and each person's view is different. So, let me ask again. How do your personal values impact your everyday financial decisions?

Single Ma: My personal values impact everything I do so I'm sure they impact my daily financial decisions, but to be honest, I've never thought about "how" it impacts me. I guess if I had to think of one example, I'd say the value of personal responsibility. I think every adult should be held solely responsible for his/her own actions/decisions. Therefore, saving/planning for emergencies and my future are a very high priority.

Since I'm a gainfully employed, healthy, and mentally sane adult (the latter may be questionable lol), it is MY responsibility to make wise spending decisions and exercise sufficient personal control. Almost everyone wants a huge home in a beautiful neighborhood, drive a luxury car, own all the latest gadgets and wear designer clothes. However, compromising financial security in exchange for immediate gratification to keep up with (or be) the Jones' is immature and irresponsible.

As such, my values dictate my financial priorities, which in turn, influence my daily financial decisions.


Now tell me, wasn’t that fabulous interview really worth the wait? I would like to thank Single Ma for taking the time out and providing such thoughtful answers. You can read more about what Single Ma has to say at Single Ma's Fabulous Financials or subscribe to her feed. And of course, you are most welcome to respond to her right here in the comments!

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An Interview with Golbguru (Money, Matter, and More Musings), Stephanie (Poorer Than You) and the English Major (An English Major’s Money)

( This interview is a part of the Ethics, Values & Personal Finance Week. )

And now it’s time to introduce the brightest shining stars of the young and fabulous personal finance bloggers. My first guest, Golbguru runs the blog Money, Matter and More Musings, my second guest Stephanie runs the blog Poorer Than You and my third guest the English Major runs the blog An English Major’s Money. Money, Matter, and More Musings (known to some of you as The Tao of Making Money) is one of the very few finance blogs by a student that is listed among the top 30 blogs based on number of RSS subscribers and top 100 based on del.icio.us bookmarks, indicating its huge popularity. Poorer than you is one of the few finance blogs that has been mentioned in main stream media, New York Times – no less! An English Major's Money is highlighted this week as the blog of the week on the prominent personal finance blog All Financial Matters. Golbguru is currently a Ph.D student. Stephanie had to drop out of film school due to financial problems. The English Major is a recent grad. Who better to discuss issues related to Ethics, Personal Finance and the Youth than these amazing people? So, let’s get started!

ISPF: When the younger generation is just starting out to be financially independent, how much support do you think they can expect from their parents? Is it unfair to the parents if their children continue to depend on them? Or do the parents expect it from us to seek their help? Any other opinions?

Golbguru:
- The way I have been brought up, I see it as a moral responsibility of every parent to do the best for their kid (financially) as he/she steps out in the real world. The children on their part should understand the financial limitations of their parents, and adjust their expectations accordingly (I am assuming that the children are pretty much grown up and thoughtful by the time they think about becoming financially independent). A decent financial push in the beginning could prevent a lot of tensions (financial and psychological) between the parents and kids in time to come. Once you help your children with all your heart...it is very likely that your children will help your grandchildren with the same attitude.
- I don't think it's unfair to depend on your parents for a *reasonable* time...however prolonged dependency is not in the interest of neither the parents nor the children.
- Also, there might be some cultural issues in whether "parents expect it from us to seek their help". Personally, I would expect my children asking for help at some point or other. If they don't need any help, it 's even better, but I would be prepare for the worst. If your money can't help your children at their time of need....I don't know what you are saving it for.


Stephanie: It's a strange situation for me. Since I'm not at school right now, I'm back to living at home and relying partially on my mother for support while I get back on my feet. But I don't expect much from her, and I do consider this an extreme circumstance. I don't think parents should be supporting their adult children more than necessary, however. I have a friend who's going to be 21 next month, and her mother gives her a $150 monthly allowance still. That doesn't make any sense to me. The first few years out of the gate, if a child needs some help with the necessities, then they should be able to go to their parents. But I don't think parents should be providing "fun" money anymore.

English Major: I think that most young people can tell how much financial support will be forthcoming from their parents by how they have interacted with their parents about money in the past, especially during college. My parents expect me to need their help a bit in the early years of my post-college life, but they expect me to be responsible with the help they provide. I don't think there's one way of interacting with your parents around money that's right and other ways that are wrong, but I do think it's important.

ISPF: The cost of education is soaring. One of you is still a student (Golbguru), one had to dropout due to financial issues (Stephanie) and one of you recently graduated (English Major). Do you think the cost of education is still worth it? What advice would you give, based on your current experiences, to those who are considering going to college?

Golbguru:
-Whether education is worth the cost depends on your choice of school and your field of study. With a proper choice of schools most higher degrees will be worth the efforts/money. Sometimes the worth is not determined by just the monetary value of education...it depends more on your career objectives (and money is just one of many other career objectives).
-For those who are considering going to college, I just have one message: WORK HARD. Good grades often translate into better financial support and that may effectively means free education....and zero student loans. That will really make the education worth it.


Stephanie: I'm still trying to reconcile in my own head whether my first two years of school were worth the cost. The thing I keep coming back to is that I couldn't have done it any other way. I wouldn't have known film wasn't for me if I hadn't gone for it. Two years at a state school wouldn't have saved me any money - I still would have had to have taken four years of film school after that. Part of me wishes I had crunched the numbers and spent a year working before going off to school. The problem with that idea is that financial aid would have taken all of that money the first year of school. The best thing to do is try and get more scholarships.

English Major: This is hard for me to answer. My first inclination is to say yes, yes, yes, a good education is always worth the cost, but I know that for many people, the cost of college is truly prohibitive. Especially for people who can get the places they want to be without a degree (or with a degree from a less expensive institution), I guess I would advise carefully considering whether an expensive college is right for you, but for people who really want to be at school because they love their course of study and enjoy what my college's promotional material calls "the life of the mind"...I think for those people, the benefits they reap from a good education are worth taking on debt (I say this chiefly based on personal experience with a couple of friends who've made really profound sacrifices to be able to pursue somewhat esoteric studies). My best advice is not to rule things out prematurely--apply to the schools you want to go to, see how much financial aid they can give you, see how much independent scholarship money you can pick up, and keep trying to make it work out.

ISPF: Peer pressure makes a lot of the younger generation spend a heck of a lot more than they can afford to. What guides you to stay within your means? Where do you draw the strength from, to resist the peer pressure?

Golbguru:
-The key is in how to smartly handle peer pressure. Be diplomatic. You don't need to say *NO* every time you are pressurized...just be smart and give in to *cheap* peer pressure opportunities and avoid the expensive ones. Sometimes it just takes some smart (or friendly) excuses to get out of peer pressure. All this is if things are within reasonable limits...if your friends start pushing you too much and refuse to understand your situation, it's probably time to choose a different set of people to get along with.
-I have some kind of a mental budget for splurging on stuff and if a certain activity with my friends is going to cost me more than that budget, I simply present some clever excuse to get out of that activity.


Stephanie: Shop alone! I certainly spent a lot of money in high school, when our main hangout spot was the mall. Even then I was the biggest tightwad in the group - I was notorious for being the only person who went to the mall every weekend and never bought anything. But there was still the cost of going to the movies, chipping in for gas, whatever. I wish I had learned earlier to suggest hanging out at places where we weren't tempted to spend money. We've had just as much fun playing board games in someone's living room as we used to at the mall. Removing yourself from the locations where you're likely to spend money is key.

English Major: I actually feel that my peer group has always used "peer pressure" to promote a sense of material moderation--for me, anyway, it's never been cool to have tons of flashy toys. I participate in that kind of culture by talking openly with my friends about money (and budgeting it, and stretching it, and not having very much of it) and actively (and openly) pursuing inexpensive social options. I recommend talking to your friends about money--I think it makes this kind of group frugality possible.

ISPF: One the one hand, being young is the best time to start planning for retirement since you have the full power of compounding on your side. On the other hand, youth only comes once, and if you don't enjoy life now, when else will you? How do you strike the balance between these two?

Golbguru: I don't have any set rules about *striking a balance* between spending now and planning for retirement. I just have one simple rule..save at least 20% of net monthly income. I enjoy life to the fullest with the remaining 80%. I plan on being consistent with that, irrespective of what salary I draw in future. I haven't decided on the real numbers, but some part of those savings will go towards a retirement plan (when I have one) and some will go towards major expenses like house and/or car in future.

Stephanie: It comes down to defining what you enjoy in life. I have expensive tastes for some things: video games, seeing movies at the theater, amusement parks and Renaissance festivals - all things that can cost a boatload. You have to pace these things throughout your year, and fill in the time gaps with lower cost fun. Also, I have a head for math. Simply knowing that the numbers point towards saving nags on my brain whenever I spent money.

English Major: I don't think I could really tell anyone else how much to give up for extra savings--I think the key is to set a goal and meet it. For me, it's totally unreasonable to say that I'll max out my 401(k) this year, but I can make it a goal to earn the full employer match. Just make a plan--know how much you want to save and put yourself on track to make it happen with automatic transfers. How small or large the goal is doesn't matter so much to me--what's important is having a plan, and having conscious reasons for having that plan, and executing that plan. I don't feel bad when I spend money that I plan to spend, even if I'm spending it on a movie, or a haircut, or drinks with friends--I budget so that I know how much I have available to spend on those things, and then I get to spend it without any guilt at all. Similarly, I don't feel deprived when I save money I plan to save--I feel like I'm doing something constructive. I don't feel like you have to have a real, visceral sense that retirement is right around the corner to start putting money away--I just do it for the sake of doing it, pretty much, and know that later I'll be glad that I did.

ISPF: This question is at the foundation of the Carnival of Ethics, Values and Personal Finance. I have asked this in previous interviews and each person's view is different. So, let me ask again to get the perspective of the youth. How do your personal values impact your everyday financial decisions?

Golbguru: It's not ethical if I lie here. :) In my case, I have observed that "ethics" and "values" are situation specific and I have different yardsticks for some of them when I am dealing with different financial circumstances. Sometimes, I tend to be judgmental about other people's financial ethics (which is not good, again for the same reason...the meaning of "ethics" and "values" is different for different people)..but I am working on it. :)

Stephanie: Where I spend my money is extremely important to me. I like to know what kind of business I'm funding by shopping there. This is why I boycott Wal-Mart, which treats its employees poorly, and why I shop at Wegmans (a local grocery store) which has been listed in the Top Ten Best Places to Work (in the whole country) for the past ten years. The ethics of a company matter to me. This is also why I only put ads on my site for products I personally use or recommend. I don't want to make money from companies I don't agree with any more than I want to give money to companies I don't agree with.

English Major: I think my values affect pretty much every financial choice I make. I realize that given the things I like and would consider doing with my life, the chances are that I'll never make a six-figure salary. For me, that makes it really important that I learn to spend consciously, save carefully, and live scrupulously within my means. All the small choices I make on a day-to-day basis contribute to my ability to choose a rewarding life, one in keeping with my personal values and beliefs, over a financially lucrative one.

You have to agree with me, that is one heck of an interview! :) I would like to thank Golbguru, Stephanie and the English Major very much for their candid, honest and well thought-out answers for what I believe are some very difficult questions! You can read more about what Golbguru has to say at Money, Matter, and More Musings or subscribe to his feed here. You can read more about what Stephanie has to say at Poorer Than You or subscribe to her feed here. You can read more about what the English Major has to say at An English Major’s Money or subscribe to her feed here.

And now I open the mike for discussion. Do you agree with our guests? Do you have anything to add? How would you answer the above questions?

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An Interview with SVB (The Digerati Life) and Tricia (Blogging Away Debt)

( This interview is a part of the Ethics, Values & Personal Finance Week. )

Today, I am fortunate to present to you an interview with two of the divas of the personal finance blogosphere. My first guest today is the Silicon Valley Blogger (SVB for short) from the blog The Digerati Life and my second guest is Tricia from the blog Blogging Away Debt. Both SVB and Tricia are super moms who juggle work, kids, and running the household. And, they are both veteran personal finance bloggers with very popular blogs. On their blogs you can find droplets of wisdom on topics ranging from debt to entrepreneurship, tips for frugal living to confessions of setbacks, motivating stories, life experiences and a myriad of other practical money related topics! Who better to discuss issues related to Ethics, Personal Finance and Women than these amazing ladies? So, let’s begin our little chit-chat!

ISPF: Many women in the work force get slightly lower salaries than their male counterparts, even though they are equally skilled. Obviously, this is not a problem that is going to go away overnight and we women need to gain ground inch by inch. What advice would you give for women out there in this situation?

SVB: It is true that biases in the workplace exist. However, I feel that these concerns are found in certain industries and job markets more than in others. In the field where I work, I have not seen these differences as much as I would expect it would be felt in the fields of management, marketing or even business. The creative field tends to be gender blind and sometimes I even think that because a smaller number of women are found in my line of work, companies have taken steps to accommodate them better. This of course, has been more my experience where I reside and work -- it could be a different story elsewhere. My basic advice is for women to learn their craft well and to be a performer. A good work environment will nurture strong performers when they see them, regardless of their gender or even ethnicity. A workplace that doesn't function this way may not be worth working in at all, but I can see how many people don't have a choice.

Tricia: With the positions that I have held, I haven't experienced receiving a lower salary than my male counterparts. But if I ever was in that situation, I would still work my hardest and keep my eyes open for new opportunities.

ISPF: Women have to face the difficult question of whether to go to work to help improve the financial situation at home, or stay at home to help raise the kids in a better fashion. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to this question. How did you deal with this in your personal life and what have you learnt from your decision?

SVB: This is a good question. I'm actually one of Dr. Laura Schlessinger's listeners. Dr. Laura is an avid proponent of stay at home parenting or mothering, and I do agree with her on many counts. However, I grew up in a household with two income earners. Both my parents worked while I grew up and was raised in a family that included extended family members as well. I actually had a very happy childhood so the fact that my parents both worked had no impact on my development. To this day, it's my mother who works and is a globe trotter, while my father is retired. So I suppose this influenced how my family lives today and how we've raised our children. We have extended family helping out while I actually work and my husband attends to his business. Both my husband and I have flexible time schedules, which truly makes a difference to our situation. One of the big reasons that we had for having children later in life was to be able to have the means to be financially stable enough to have this flexibility in raising our children later on. And so far, this has worked out quite well for us.

Tricia: With our situation, I am the breadwinner for our family. I deal with the guilt on a daily basis that I cannot be there for our son. It wasn't the life I imagined as a little girl (I wanted to be in charge of the home life), but you do have to do what you have to do. I hope at some point in the near future things can change.

ISPF: "Learning starts at home" they say. How do you teach your children basic money lessons that are solidly grounded in good values and principles?

SVB: To be honest, my kids are still really too young to grasp the concept of money. However, at this time, we are discovering what our children are interested in the most. If we can tie in their interests to money principles, then we try to shed light on these concepts. Otherwise, we just let them have their fun and be kids. I am surrounded by other families who press the significance of extra curricular activities on their kids. I'm not this type of parent -- I prefer not to "schedule" children into such activities. I would much rather have my children find their own interests and enjoy being kids. My eldest child who is in nursery school is turning out to really enjoy Math and learning the value of accomplishment. These will be good stepping stones to learning more about money lessons as he grows older.

Tricia: My son is only 5 years old right now. I've been teaching him simple concepts about the roles that banks play and how to spot the sales in the grocery store. I think one of the greatest gifts I can give him is the opportunity to learn from my example. I try to explain to him certain things I am doing money-wise and spark his interest. I don't push, though. I don't want him to end up rebelling.

When he gets older, we will open a savings account for him and let him handle the paperwork. I want him to be as hands on as he can be and watch his money grow.


ISPF: Women tend to be less interested in finance related issues than men in general. What got you interested in finances? Was there a defining "Aha" moment or was it something you were interested in since childhood? How can we get more women to take a more personal interest in their finances?

SVB: I have always been a Type A personality who is motivated to strive towards achieving goals. I believe it was natural for me to extend this feeling towards taking control of our finances. I wasn't interested in finances until I got out of college, when I realized I was on my own and needed to take care of myself. I felt that like anything else I had faced in my life, this was another challenge I sought to master so I went ahead and educated myself in the area. I then found it very interesting since I enjoy studying psychology and human behavior a lot -- hence the emphasis towards subjects and stories of behavioral finance in my blog. One way I hope to get more women to be more interested in finance is to discuss my own experiences in the area and hopefully impart the fact that it's not as boring nor as challenging as it may seem. Finances can be looked upon more simply so that it can be less intimidating to anyone. Unfortunately, there are women who are just not in a position to take hold of their finances, unless they've started out tackling such issues in their lives as single individuals. The dynamics of a family can be such that it just falls naturally on a breadwinner to do this work. But perhaps some financial responsibilities can be handled by the family in such a way that tasks and obligations are reasonably shared.

Tricia: I have been interested in finance since I started college. Now, that doesn't mean I handled our finances well, because I didn't. But, I enjoyed balancing my checkbook and keeping track of expenses. I had the mechanics down, just not the concept of "spend less than you earn."

I'm not sure how to get more women interested in their finances. I think it would be beneficial if personal finance was taught in public schools. Perhaps that could spark more interest among both genders.


ISPF: This question is at the foundation of the Carnival of Ethics, Values and Personal Finance. I have asked this in previous interviews and each person's view is different. So, let me ask again. How do your personal values impact your everyday financial decisions?

SVB: I'm actually glad that both my husband and I have very similar values in the financial realm. We're both libertarians and somewhat fiscally conservative in our approach to finances. We're very middle of the road types who apply reason and logic (as much as we are able) to our decisions. We are moderate about our views of spending, saving and investing. I'd say we're pretty boring, for the most part, with how we conduct our finances but we're mostly in agreement about money. This is good, so that our arguments on the subject are few and far between. The most adventurous thing we've done is to start a business and try entrepreneurship. We feel that we probably conduct ourselves like the majority as far as financial values are concerned. We're not strongly politically, environmentally nor socially inclined when it comes to money -- we're your average family trying to carve out a living in the good old US of A. But yes, we strongly believe in capitalism that's for certain!

Tricia: I grew up believing that you work hard for your money. The thought being that if you worked hard and honestly, you were a good person and good things will come your way. I still believe that, and while I may start feeling down about our current financial situation, I know it is for a reason. We just have to remain honest and work hard and good things will happen.

That is really inspiring! I would like to thank SVB and Tricia very much for taking the time to interview with me. I really appreciate that they responded with such earnestness and honesty! You can read more about what SVB has to say at The Digerati Life or subscribe to her feed here. You can read more about what Tricia has to say at Blogging Away Debt or subscribe to her feed here. Remember to come back tomorrow to read about another interesting interview inspecting issues related to Ethics, Personal Finance and the Youth.

And now I open the mike for discussion. Do you agree with SVB and Tricia? Do you have anything to add? What would your answers be for the above questions?

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An Interview with Trent (The Simple Dollar), Jim (Blueprint for Financial Prosperity) and J. D. (Get Rich Slowly)

(This interview is a part of the Ethics, Values & Personal Finance Week. )

(UPDATED on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 to include the interview with J.D.)

Trent from The Simple Dollar, Jim from The Blueprint for Financial Prosperity and J. D. Roth from Get Rich Slowly were very gracious to share with me and the readers of this blog their views on Ethics, Personal Finance and Blogging. With over 80,000 page views visitors per month, they know what it is like to be successful bloggers. They cover a wide range of topics related to personal finance with integrity and interact with several different people every single day through comments and emails. Who better to discuss these issues with? So, here we go.

ISPF: How do your personal values impact your everyday financial decisions?

Trent: When I consciously consider them, my decisions almost always align with my values. My problems occur when I do something without carefully considering it, like an impulse buy.

Jim: I'm not sure how personal values impact day to day decisions, like whether or not to go out to lunch or bring food in, for me because I don't have a lot of major personal finance concerns. If, for example, I had credit card debt, I think my personal values would have a greater impact because I'd try to spend less and bring my lunch in so that I could pay off my debt faster. Since I don't have debt (outside of a mortgage and student loans) or any other major concerns, I don't think my day to day actions are actively affected by my values (they may be on a subconscious level though).

J. D.: This is a great question, partly because it's more subtle than is apparent at first glance.

I make a lot of conscious choices about where I spend my money, and what I spend it on. For example, I will almost always buy things from kids because I like to encourage self-confidence and an entrepreneurial spirit.

I think that our values *always* influence our everyday financial decisions, even when we think they're not. For example, I often state that organic food is important to me, and that I like to buy local when possible. These are two of my stated values. However, the reality is that I *rarely* pay extra for organic, yet I'll go out of my way, and spend more, in order to obtain locally produced foods. So here's a case where I have two positions that I believe are important to me, but only one of which is actually important in practice.


ISPF: You have a very successful finance blog. What role do ethics and principles play in your choice of topics, ads etc., for your blog?

Trent: I'll write about almost anything that has some relevance to personal finance or is requested by a reader, but I don't write about things for pay. As for ads, my criteria is that they must be appropriate for a general audience. I typically don't approve ads that violate the things I talk about (i.e. payday loans), but I do run Google ads and these can be hard to catch.

Jim: Thank you very much for the compliment. I mainly write whatever comes to mind in my own personal finance experience and it just happens to gel with the readership, I try to keep everything honest and open, as I would like to be treated, and so the words just flow naturally for me. With respect to ads, I see them merely as advertisements and a way for me to earn more money so I can do the things I want to do, whether it's buy a new television or donate more money than I otherwise could to organizations that need it.

J. D.: I'm actually far more restrictive with advertising at my site than I am with content. That is, I do my best to restrict advertising for sites that are against the philosophy I preach. I turned down a *very* lucrative Mastercard ad (TWICE!) because I don't want to encourage credit card usage.

Likewise, I don't feature many articles on how to take advantage of credit cards. I don't want to encourage their use.

On the other hand, I try to cover a wide range of topics at Get Rich Slowly, and I don't necessarily agree with every idea I throw out there. (This is particularly true when I host guest articles.) But I feel it's important to offer a wide range of opinions and ideas. What is right for me may not be right for somebody else. If I'm doing my job right, my readers don't actually know my political and religious views.


ISPF: Have you ever had a troubling situation because of a reader’s question or comment? For instance, if someone leaves a comment on your blog that is a very valid point, but clashes with your personal beliefs, how do you deal with it? Any examples?

Trent: If it's not personally insulting to another reader, I leave it up there. I only delete comments if there are personal attacks in them. If I disagree with a commenter, I leave my own comment; my site makes my comments appear in a different color than others.

Jim: Unless a comment was written just to be hurtful and without any sort of content, I keep it there. There are a bunch of comments that have clashed with my own personal beliefs but I don't mind having them on the site, it's always important to show all sides of an argument, not just your own. In fact, I write posts that run contrary to my own beliefs (Devil's Advocate) for that same reason. I'm afraid no examples come to mind.

J. D.: I haven't taken too much flak, and when I have, it's been deserved. I'm human. I make mistakes. Sometimes I post in haste without checking facts. My readers are *very* astute, and they call me out when I do something stupid. I'm actually glad for it. At first I felt mortified, but now I see it as a way to encourage me to produce higher quality.

I have no problem leaving comments that clash with my personal beliefs. As long as a comment is not inflammatory, or a personal attack, I'm likely to leave it.


ISPF: I am addicted to blogging. These days, at work, I have an irresistible urge to browse, and look at what other bloggers are up to. It’s a constant battle between my work ethics and my personal interests. Any advice for me (and other folks in the same boat as me)?

Trent: My work experience makes this a non-issue - if I'm in a situation where I can actually access my blog, that basically means that I have some spare time and I can do as I wish. If that's not the case for you, I suggest utilizing "breaks" for that purpose, perhaps fifteen minutes every two hours or so.

Jim: I suffer from the same things but it's important that you don't ever write while you're at work. I surf the web, just like everyone else, during the down moments but just refrain from writing (leaving comments, writing posts, etc.) and it should be okay. And subscribe to the RSS feeds so that if you are addicted, at least you're efficient at it. :)

J. D.: I wish I could help you there. I, too, am addicted to this. The real trouble, though, is when we become addicted to the non-productive aspects of the hobby. I have a bad habit of checking my stats every fifteen or twenty minutes. Why? Is it really that important to know where people are coming from? Of course not. And it keeps me from actually research and writing.

ISPF: "Money is the source of all evil". What’s your take on that? ;)

Trent: Nonsense.

Jim: Money is important because it provides a way for you to support yourself and your family, sometimes people focus too much on the money and not enough on the "yourself and family" such that they sacrifice them in order to get the money, not fully realizing why they were going after the money in the first place. Money isn't the root of all evil, greed is. :)

J. D.: I'm sure others will correct you, but just in case, the actual quote is "the love of money is the root of all evil". I think this sounds nice, but just is not true. Sure there's plenty of evil caused by loving money, but there are plenty of other sources of evil in the world, too.

I would like to thank Trent, Jim and J. D. for taking time out of their hectic schedule to interview with me! You can read more about what Trent has to say at The Simple Dollar or subscribe to his feed here. You can read more about what Jim has to say at The Blueprint for Financial Prosperity or subscribe to his feed here. You can read more about what J. D. has to say at Get Rich Slowly or subscribe to his feed here.

To navigate to other interviews that are part of this series, please check the agenda of the Ethics, Values & Personal Finance Week.

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