Wiping out Emergency Savings to Pay off Debt

In the personal finance blogging world, when you bring up the question of whether your primary focus should be on building an emergency fund or paying off your debt first, you will likely get a very strong passionate response supporting one or the other. Those belonging to the emergency fund first camp argue that without an emergency fund, it is easy to slip into the murky world of more debt when unexpected circumstances strike. On the other hand, those belonging to the pay debt first camp argue that to get the best mileage out of your money, use it to pay off high interest debt, instead of letting it sit around in a low interest savings account (and compared to the hay days, even the best online savings accounts look like low interest savings accounts these days!). We definitely belong to the latter camp. For us, debt feels like a constantly nagging thorn on our side and during the past couple of months we pretty much wiped out our emergency funds to pay off our debt. While there were heavy psychological and emotional overtones to this decision, it was not made lightly. I would like to lay out our reasoning here, in case someone else is in a similar boat and finds it interesting.

The psychological and emotional reasons

Before going into the logical reasoning, let me first provide an overview of our situation so it may help you understand why we were so itching to pay off the debt. During our years in grad school, which were our first few years in the US, we had amassed a whopping $42,500 in debt! Coming to the realization of how deep a hole we were in and pulling ourselves out of it bit by bit was a experience that left a permanent distaste for debt. For around 4-5 years after that we were clean. During those years we have been saving and investing aggressively. Last year however, when our trusted 14 year old 150K mile car died, we gave in to our whims and ended up buying our dream car. It was a pre-owned vehicle but way too expensive and not having the liquid cash in hand we ended up financing it. (If interested, you can read my confessions and justifications regrading that decision). While we have no regrets about the car, the decision to finance it has been sticking out like a sore thumb to us.

What makes matters worse is that during the past few months there have been rumors, which are turning to be less of rumors and more of a certainty as the months pass, that our company could soon be bought over, and I will likely lose my job. Being pregnant, it is not going to be easy for me to go find another job immediately. While I think we can handle the dramatic change from double-income-no-kids to single-income-new-baby without going financially downhill again, I would feel a lot more comfortable if we can do it without the added stress of carrying debt. So a couple of months back, when I received the stocks for the past 6 months of investment into the employee stock purchase plan, I sold them for an immediate 15% profit, withdrew almost all the money from our emergency savings and plonked all that money on the cashiers desk to payoff our car loan. Even though depleting the cash reserves was scary, the thrill of being debt-free again (apart from mortgage, which we are continuing to pay off aggressively) is exhilarating!

The plan for surviving emergencies

We did not take the decision to wipe out our emergency savings lightly (nor do I think anyone should, no matter how much of a staunch supporter of the pay debt first ideology they are). Here is our reasoning which is very specific to our situation.

Daily expenses on job loss

Fortunately, since both of us work, this case is not as severe a threat to us as it is to single income families. Even though there is a possibility that both of us could lose our jobs within a span of few weeks from each other, I doubt that it is likely to happen (in the inadvertent case that it does happen, one of the cases listed below should cover us at least for a few weeks, and hopefully one of us can find a job by then?). Currently, we pay twice the amount to the mortgage, max out both our 401Ks, invest in one employee stock purchase plan and could pay our car loan. In case of one job lost, we can cut down the aggressive mortgage payments and possibly reduce the contribution to the 401K just enough to get the employer match. Also, with the car loan gone, that is some more money freed up. With a slightly more frugal lifestyle, I think we can get on by fine for our daily expenses and possibly manage to save a little each month to rebuild our emergency account.

Additional unexpected expenses up to $1000

While we were students, both of us used credit unions. When we started working we started using a regular bank. But since our credit union was our oldest standing account, in the interest of maintaining a better credit history, we decided to leave our credit union accounts open. And in order to keep it in good standing we each have a direct deposit of $50 or so into that account each paycheck. Since we have been doing this siphoning right from our first paycheck, we do not really miss that $50 each paycheck. And since this account grows oh-so-slowly, we do not consider it a part of any of our accounting. Over a period of time we have each had a few hundred to sometimes a cushy $1000 accumulated in that account unnoticed. And it has been a good source to tap into when we have small emergencies but do not want to dip into our real emergency savings. Currently, we probably have low hundreds in each of our accounts, but with monies from both our accounts pooled, we should be able to handle small unexpected expenses up to $1000 or so.

Additional unexpected expenses up to $6000

We are not really into stock market investing (other than our 401Ks). But last year when I had an additional $5K, I had opened a Vangaurd account and had setup an auto deduction of $100 per month to go to this account. With the stock market slump, this account barely stands at $6000+, in spite of a year passing by with money being pumped into it on a regular monthly basis! While I would love to keep this around for a long time and see where it goes, I will not be terribly upset if I have to sell the index funds to pay for an emergency. Sure, I will incur some taxes and possibly lose some money, but frankly I have not been making any money on that account since I got it and the rate of returns is probably at 0% or slightly negative. So, using it up for paying for an emergency will not bother me at all!

Additional unexpected expenses up to $15,000

When the interest rates on savings accounts were high, I used to play the 0% APR balance transfer game quite heavily. With the slump in interest rates the credit cards charging fees for balance transfers, I don't play this game any longer. But between the two of us, we have access to around $80K - $100K in credit and I am assuming that with the car loan paid off and no outstanding debt, we should be able to have access to at least $15K at low interest rates. For instance, currently, I have an outstanding offer from one of my cards for a 0% balance transfer for one year, with 3% fees capped at $199. I have a $17K credit limit on that card (if necessary, by transferring credit lines, I should be able to increase that to $42K). I know this is not something I can rely on, since the offers change from time to time, but it makes it easier to justify against letting money sit in an emergency account earning next to nothing in interest.

Additional unexpected expenses up to $30,000

As listed early in the history of this blog, our financial goals and the approach to realizing them is to rely primarily on our 401K contributions, and owning our house outright as soon as possible. In addition to that, our outside investments (as and when we can) have been mostly into the real estate back in home country. During the past few months, with the car loan, medical expenses etc, we have not been able to do much towards the overseas investments. But during the golden 4-5 years in the middle when we were debt-free and saving like squirrels, we did manage to stash away a little in these investments. In the worst case, for largish emergencies we should be able to liquidate some of our holdings and pay for it. This will likely cause a lot of stress and heart ache and may even cause us to lose some money, but if it an emergency that large, I doubt we will really care! What's money good for if you cant use it when you need it? Besides, we will never stash away $30K in a liquid emergency fund, so this would probably be inevitable in case of large emergencies anyway!

Additional unexpected expenses > $30,000

Finally, for those super large blows (which I hope we will not have to face in this lifetime!!!) I think we can dip into our last resort - a 401K loan, or a home equity loan etc. This one will likely impact our ability to retire on our own terms, but if we are faced with super large emergencies, and live to tell the tale, then that will likely be a small price to pay. Besides, we are still young and we should be able to rebuild from scratch....

Since this analysis was specific to our situation, I don't know if it will help anyone make their own decisions. But it sure was helpful to me in ensuring my peace of mind that in spite of depleting our emergency fund, an emergency in the near future (until we plump up our emergency funds again) will not throw us over the edge into the debt hole again. Irrespective of whether you have a blog or not, I encourage you to do this analysis with your own situation. If you are in the same boat as us (early stages of financial life) or much ahead, it will help offer the peace of mind that you can possibly survive many of life's curve balls. If you are where we were 5 years back (just paid off all debt, but don't have much in savings yet), I am sure an analysis like this will motivate you to stay frugal and save as much as you can. And if you are where we were 7-8 years back (with a pile of debt in front of us, and no savings whatsoever to speak of), then I am sure an analysis like this will push you into digging out of that debt hole much faster. Either ways, feel free to share your thoughts!

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How Much Should You Borrow for Your Education?

(This is a guest article by Miranda Marquit*)

One of the items that seems to continually go up in cost is education. It's up there with food, health care and gas. Only you don't usually have to take loans out to buy those other things. The rising cost of higher education pretty much guarantees that you will need to take out student loans in order to help fund your degree.

The good news is that there are many sources for student loans, both from the government and from private sources. And even in the current climate, there are still plenty of loans available. Indeed, the danger becomes borrowing too much, and then having to pay it all back. While student loans can help you offset living expenses so you can focus on school (in addition to paying the cost of tuition), few people really need the maximum amount they are approved for.

My mother's voice echoes in my head "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." This is just as true for figuring out how much to borrow in student loans.

Create a budget

Take a realistic look at your expenses and your education costs. Find out how much you will pay in rent, and get an estimate of the cost of utilities. If you live in housing provided by your school, most utilities are included in the cost of your rent. Even if you don't, many apartment managers can give you a good idea of how much utilities will cost. Estimate a food budget, transportation costs and even a little fun money. Are you planning on getting a job? Figure any income into your calculations. A part time job will reduce the amount you will need to borrow. Also, if you have scholarships and grants, that will reduce your student loan amounts.

Multiply your estimated monthly expenses by the number of months that you will be in school. Then add that number to the cost of your tuition, student fees and estimated cost of books. Take the amount of scholarships, grants and estimated income and subtract that from your total expenses. The difference is how much you will need to borrow. In order to allow for leeway, take 125% of that difference, and round it up to the nearest $1,000. Example:

You estimate that your total cost for attending school is $30,000. Between scholarships, grants and a part-time job, plus your savings, you have $20,000. The difference is $10,000. Multiply 10,000 by 1.25 to get 12,500. Round it up, and you would borrow about $13,000. Each year (if you are getting a four year degree), you would borrow $3,250.


Other considerations

You also need to consider how much you can afford to borrow. With the job you get when you finish, will you be able to handle the loan payments? If you won't be able to afford the loan on your salary, you might want to reconsider your major, or the amount that you are planning to borrow.

Perhaps you should consider a less expensive school as well. Private schools can cost as much in one year as many state school cost in the entire four years. Consider that most private schools do not offer a big enough edge to make paying (and having to borrow) the extra worth it.

Consider your loan type

Another thing to consider is the loan type. If possible, avoid private student loans, since the interest rate is usually higher, and this will result in paying more money back. A federal student loan will result in a lower interest rate, and if you get a subsidized loan, you will not accrue any interest until after you are done with school. This can allow you further savings.

Carefully consider your options before taking out student loans. They can be very helpful, but like any other debt you can find yourself in over your head.

*About the author: Miranda Marquit edits information on debt consolidation for DestroyDebt.com.

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Should Parents Try To Influence Their Children's College Applications?

It is college application time. While kids scamper to put the application packages together, parents fret and worry about the choice of degree and choice of colleges. While the kids are busy rating how "party" friendly the different schools are, parents are busy trying to figure out how "pocket" friendly they will be. A teenager's idea of a cool career is bound to be different from their parents' idea. Unsurprisingly, this could lead to a lot of flare ups when parents don't quite agree with their children's choice and the children don't want their parents to interfere.

Consider for example the case of my colleague. She wants to make sure that her daughter goes into a major that will lead to good career prospects. She wants her daughter to lead a worry-free life. My colleague is a brilliant engineer. As a first generation immigrant, she knows what it is like to struggle through life to get to a financially comfortable position. She wants to protect her daughter from having to go through what she considers "unnecessary pains" of making bad career choices. She feels that her children have a lot more opportunity and guidance than she did when she was younger and so they must be able to coast through life. She would prefer for her daughter to major in engineering. If her daughter must rebel she wishes it were to pursue a professional degree like law or medical school :)

He daughter on the other hand wants to pursue fine arts. She is an honor student with several advanced placement classes under her belt. But in her senior year in high school she was influenced by her peers into thinking that professional degrees are for dorks and losers. And now she wants to pursue a fine arts degree.

Which degree (or discipline in general) is better is only one of arguments that they have. Which college to send apps to is another huge point of contention. Some of the schools of choice for the daughter come at a hefty price tab of $40,000 per year. And they are known "party" schools. My colleague has the money stashed up, but it took a lot of blood and sweat to raise that money. She believes it is a complete waste to throw it away on an arts degree from an expensive party school.

I don't think there is anything very unique about my colleague’s situation. This drama is played out over and over every year in thousands of households across the country. Parents in their infinite wisdom want to protect their children from making stupid mistakes. They want to give their children the opportunities they perceive that they were not provided. They want to save their children from making some of the mistakes they did.

The children on the other hand are not really children anymore, but young adults. They believe that they know what they want. They want to stand for themselves and what they believe is their best option.

So, should the parents try to influence their children’s choices?

I believe that if the parents are paying for the education, they have every right to set some ground rules. Unless the parents inherited the money themselves, they must be able to have some influence over what and how their hard-earned money gets spent.

Now, if the parents can't afford to pay the children's college expenses and the child is actually taking out a loan, things get a bit dicey. Some of my friends believe that the parents don't really have a right to interfere in such a situation. I disagree. I think that it is a parent's responsibility to prevent the children from making what might be a choice that they will regret later in life. Just like a parent would never allow a child to walk into a busy street with a lot of traffic, they should also try to protect their children from burdening themselves with huge college debt for majors that can't provide for them in later life. The children may not listen, and they may fight back, but that didn't stop you from teaching them the right thing to do when they were younger and wanted to play with a knife!

It’s easier said than done. But there are ways in which this can be achieved. For instance, in my colleague’s case, they have established a truce of sorts now. My colleague has convinced her daughter to consider a degree in computer animation. Since a degree in computer animation requires her daughter to take some computer courses as pre-requisites, she feels comforted, that later in life if push comes to shove, her daughter can work as a software programmer. Her daughter has agreed to the option since a degree in animation will allow her to explore her creative side. As for the school they are still working it out :) The current offer on the table is that my colleague must allow her daughter to go to any school that the daughter can obtain at least 50% financial aid. In some schools (particularly the one that the daughter wants to go to), that is still a huge amount. But I am sure they will find a way to resolve it.

What would you do if your kids wanted to take up a major that you firmly believe will not prepare them for life in the real world? What if it involves taking our a huge student loan? How did your parents try to convince you?

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Some Thoughts on Debt Aversion and Employee Stock Purchase Plan

After several years of being debt-free (apart from the mortgage), we now have an auto loan. A rather huge one at that :( And it is driving us nuts. This is in spite of the fact that getting the auto loan is a well-thought out decision. Over the past year, we knew that our old car would die sometime soon and we needed to save to buy another car. And we did save quite diligently. But every time the cash reserve crossed $5K, we consciously made a choice to invest it, since in the long term a higher interest rate and the compounding of our savings account will yield far better fruits than the interest we have to pay for the car loan in the short term. The auto loan we have is at 5.25% and most of our investments (knock on wood) are doing better than that.

That said, a loan is a loan. And we hate it :(

So last week, I sold the stock I have purchased over the past year by participating in the employee stock purchase plan and applied it to the car loan. Here are some thoughts on the reasons for our decision and about debt aversion in general.

Most advice I have read, says not to own the stocks in the company you work for
In other words, don’t put all the eggs in one basket. If the company goes bust, you not only lose the job security but also a lot of your savings. Unless the company is doing very, very well and you know with a high level of certainty that you can make positive earnings on your stock, it is better not to put too much of your savings in the company stock. My company allows us to purchase stock worth 10% of the salary via the employee stock purchase plan and I have always participated to the maximum extent. That is a significant amount of money that I did not feel comfortable leaving in the company stock since the company has not been doing too well of late.

I got pretty good returns on my investment by selling when I did
The way they calculate the purchase price for the employee stock purchase plan is to take the lowest of the price on the starting date and the ending date of the purchase period and offer a discount of 15% on that price. The best way for me to take advantage of participating in the plan, since I don’t foresee a huge bump up in stock price any time soon, is to materialize the guaranteed 15% return. Also, fortunately for me, the day I sold the stock some industry news temporarily bumped up the price resulting in an overall return close to 25%!

Taxes suck :(
Even though the overall returns look good, we don’t really make that much since taxes take a huge bite out of it. If we had hung on to the stock for a year, it would have qualified for being taxed at the rate of capital gains. But because we sold early, it gets taxed as regular income. Boo.

Debt aversion can be a nasty thing
When we had the check for the money in hand, we had several options of what to do with it. We could reinvest it in diversified index funds or in real estate back in the home country that will most likely yield far better gains than the 5.25% we are paying for our auto loan. Or apply the amount to the emergency fund since we know for a fact that we will soon have some huge medical bills and there isn’t enough in our emergency fund to cover it. Or save it for travel expenses, since we plan on visiting our home country soon and the trip costs a lot! But the thought that is the foremost in our minds was the auto loan. So we decided to apply the whole check (with some additional amount that we added!) to bring the auto loan down by about 35%. I don’t know if it was the smartest thing to do, but boy it felt good to see the auto loan shrink :)

I just don’t understand why some people do not participate in the employee stock purchase plan!
Soon after the stocks for this period were granted, during lunch when we were all talking about it one of my colleagues revealed that he does not participate in the stock purchase plan! I was quite stunned. I am not very close to this person, and in my personal life, I tend to keep my mouth shut when it comes to other people’s finances, so I did not ask him why. But I can’t help but wonder. What motivates an otherwise perfectly smart person to make such a dumb decision? If the company allowed me to put more of my salary in the stock purchase plan, I would, even if it meant I would have to cut some corners due to a reduced take home salary. 15% of guaranteed returns (minus the taxes of course) is no joke. And still here was a perfectly sensible person saying no to that kind of returns. Why?

What do you do with the stock purchased through your employee stock purchase plan? If you don’t participate in the employee stock purchase plan in spite of you company offering one, will you please explain to me why not? And do any of you get so emotional about debt that you are willing to do anything to get rid of it? It can't just be us making some financially stupid choices! :)

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Student Debt, Entitlement Attitude and Other Thoughts

I came across an interesting report titled Living With Debt: A Life Stage Analysis of Changing Attitudes and Behaviors by Lending Tree and this particular paragraph caught my eye


Like young families who view consumer credit as a reward for their hard work, college students similarly justify their elevated lifestyle demands as a reward for unpaid “work” in school. Significantly, this generationally perceived social “right” or entitlement to material goods is no longer tied to one’s current level of income or to a realistic budget that includes a savings component. Moreover, it is reinforced by college administrators and loan providers who assert that higher education is the most important investment that students will make. According to this perspective, students can and should enjoy their college social life since they will obtain a great job and salary after graduation.


The reason this paragraph stood out for me was that it could easily have been written about me while I was in grad school! As I have mentioned before by the end of two years in grad school, between our education loans, credit card debt and auto loans, we had piled on a whopping $42,500 in debt! I did my undergrad back in the home country where everyone around me was equally broke and we did not have access to credit cards. So it was normal to be a “starving student”. However, in grad school, not only was credit easily available, there was this prevalent attitude among all my friends that we would soon graduate and get high-paying jobs. So there is no need to be “starving students” anymore. In addition, both the better half and I and most of my friends had worked for a couple of years before deciding to go to grad school. And sure enough, after about a semester of struggling with the reduced income of the student life, we bounced right back into our earlier lifestyles by supplementing the difference in the income on credit. We justified that we deserved it, since we had given up well paying jobs to pursue a grad degree that would land us in better paying jobs!

Adding this sense of entitlement to the unbelievable ignorance about how credit really worked spelt disaster and it took us more than two years of completely stripped down lifestyle to get rid of our debt. Here are a few things I wish I knew then.

Separate the good debt from bad debt.
Some of the debt that we incurred, for example the education loans that we had to take out, was necessary and was in fact an investment into our future. In that sense, it would qualify as “good debt”. Since we did not go to private universities, this loan was a reasonable amount and was in fact justified based on the return on investment. But the trip to New York city that I charged to my credit card so I could visit some of my old friends or the number of gifts I took with me when I visited my family – now, that was certainly an example of “bad” debt. If I wanted to travel or buy gifts, I should have saved up for it instead of charging it to the credit card and burdening my future self to pay it off. Before accepting more credit, think if it really an investment or a dead load!

Stop being a sheep!
Everybody around me was doing the same thing. Not just people in my friends circle, but pretty much every other person on campus that I knew seemed to charge everything to credit cards. So, it didn’t even occur to us to question the complete lack of rationality of our actions. By the time we took our heads out of the clouds, the damage was already done. Stop to think – just because everyone jumps off the cliff, will you?

Take your head out of the sand.
Both the better half and I were raised to believe that debt is bad. And so when we started piling on debt, we hid it from our family. That should have triggered us to think that maybe what we are doing is not right. We should have just got our head out of the sand and seen how terribly wrong we were in the way we were handling our finances. Are you trying to hide your finances from others (other than for privacy-related reasons)?

Know how much debt you are in.
Our debt was spread out across several different accounts. So we saw it as $500 on the Citicard, $1200 on the Discover etc., but never really summed it up and saw exactly how deep we had dug ourselves in the debt pit. Also, when we looked at our debt, we completely ignored the education loans since we did not have to start paying them until after we graduated from school. The total was quite whopping! Do you know how much you really owe?

Know how long it will take to pay off the debt.
What finally triggered us to realizing the mess we were in, was when the better half started working and we started to make our first real effort to clear up the debt. Month after month, it seemed like our checks were dumped into a bottomless pit. We kept only that much of the paycheck we needed for meeting the basic necessities of life and directed the rest towards debt, but the total debt amount hardly seemed to change. I wish before we piled on the debt, we had realized how much time and effort it would require to eventually get rid of it! Use this bankrate.com calculator to see the effect of just paying the minimum amount on your credit card debt and you will surely be shaken into some action! For instance, if we paid only the minimum payment on the $42,500, it would take us 40+ years to clear up the loans, during which we would have forked over an additional $20,000 in interest payment!

If you are a student and carry any debt I hope you will learn from some of the mistakes we made and avoid making those mistakes yourself. Believe me, that iPhone that you charge on your credit card may feel cool now – but not when you have to work from 9am to 8pm every day for several months just to pay it off! I am not saying you should deprive yourself of all the good things in life. Go right ahead and indulge yourself as much as you like, as long as you can truly afford it!

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Condemning Our Future Generations To Be Born With A Plastic Spoon In Their Mouth?

It used to be that parents would blush with pride when their children were accused of being “born with a silver spoon in their mouth”. I am not talking about the likes of super brats like Paris Hilton or Nicole Ritchie here. Just regular people like you and me, who would strive to make a good living for themselves and have something left over for the future generations.

But with the ease with which credit is available these days and the rather successful marketing campaign conducted by credit card companies, it seems that more and more people are being addicted to the plastic. Add to that the lack of any formal education on the proper usage of the cards or the consequences of abusing them, and our reliance on credit cards paints a bleak picture. Which makes me wonder, what is the legacy we are leaving behind for our future generations? Are we condemning them to be born with a plastic spoon in their mouth?

Here are some of the facts published in a report by the Consumer Federation of America -

  • Eighty percent of all households have at least one credit card.
  • With well over one billion cards in circulation, the average household has about a dozen credit cards.
  • About sixty percent of cardholders carry credit card debt from month to month.
  • The average credit card debt for households that carry a balance is more than $10,000.
  • Americans owe more in credit card debt than for education.


No matter how you slice it, those facts are quite sobering. As a matter of fact, the impact of these statistics is downright depressing. According to this report,
  • Bankruptcy rates for young Americans aged 25 to 34 increased by 19% between 1992 and 2001.
  • An average indebted young American spends nearly a quarter
    of every dollar earned servicing debt, under the assumption that he/she pays only the minimum payments of 2½ % of the debt amount.
  • If mortgage and student loan payments are included, 13% of indebted young Americans spend more than 40% of their income on debt payments.


So, what can we do to leave a better legacy behind?

Well, first off we could start in our own homes. Instead of expecting the “system” to teach our children how to responsibly use credit cards, we can teach them these lessons ourselves. Instead of cribbing and whining about how schools do not teach the children about money management, we can start with these lessons at home when they are still early. A piggy bank for pre-teens, a bank account for teens and a credit card (yes, a credit card) for college-bound kids can go a long way in ensuring that they learn the good and the bad of handling money in a controlled environment. By making them loans and rewarding good payment behavior we can encourage them to grow up to be responsible adults. (The dynamics of each house is different – so make sure that you don’t push it and make them averse to financial responsibility).

Second, we can lead by example. Kids not only learn the lessons we consciously teach them, but also soak up a lot from the way we behave. Making sure that we pay our monthly bills in time instead of carrying balances is as important as sneaking in a lecture about debt being bad. When it is time for vacation, by cutting back on some of the luxuries so we can save ahead of time instead of charging everything to a card, we can teach our children the habits of saving at an early age. By not chasing after the Joneses ourselves, we can help them learn to stand up to peer pressure. Our response to unexpected expenditure can convey a lot of unspoken lessons.

Finally, encourage communication about money. If our kids are ever in financial trouble and need a hand to pull them out, it is better that they turn to us and not to the first credit mongering company. As they grow up, instead of punishing them for being bad, if we develop a culture of rewarding the good, then they will not hesitate to come to us first if they land themselves in financial trouble. It is a delicate balance – to teach independence and yet convey that they can depend on us if the need be. But by striving for this, we can hopefully save them a lot of heartache and distress in the future.

Overall, I think we still have hope. Our future generations may be born in a world where credit cards are omnipresent and omnipotent, but by teaching our children how to handle credit properly, we may still be able to prevent them from messing up their lives. And by being responsible credit users ourselves and replacing a habit of carrying debt with building savings, we may just be able to leave them a silver spoon or two too.

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Why Do Some People Prefer to Pre-Pay Mortgage, while Others Prefer to Invest the Money Instead?

Through good fortune and diligent savings, we have some money left over each month after paying off the bills and funding the 401K. Our mortgage rate is currently 5.125%. Investing in index funds will possibly offer a return of over 8%, over the long term. Rationally, it makes more financial sense to stash the additional money we have in a well-chosen index fund. But month after month, we apply the money to the principal of our mortgage loan. It’s not like we are this irrational all the time – while paying off our debt, we chose to pay down the highest interest loan first, instead of Dave Ramsey’s feel-good theory of paying the lowest balance loan first and I dabble in credit card arbitrage quite a bit. So, why are we so irrational when it comes to mortgage?

I have been mulling over this question for a long time now. I think I may finally be able to explain it using some of the behavioral economics concepts that I am reading. Here is one of the example “stories” from the book Why smart people make big money mistakes and how to correct them. Pay close attention and answer honestly.


Imagine that you are a commander in the army, threatened by a superior enemy force. Your staff says your soldiers will be caught in an ambush in which six hundred of them will die unless you lead them to safety by one of the two available routes. If you take route A, two hundred soldiers will be saved. If you take route B, there’s a one-third chance that six hundred will be saved and a two-thirds chance that none will be saved. Which route should you take?


Have you decided? If yes, then let me repeat the question, this time phrased a bit differently. Read the question carefully again, and answer honestly. Don’t let your previous answer affect you – just choose an answer that pops at the top of your head when you finish reading the question.


Imagine that you are once again a commander in the army, threatened by a superior enemy force. Once again, your staff tells you that if you take route A, four hundred soldiers will die. If you take route B, there’s a one-third chance that no soldiers will die and a two-thirds chance that six hundred soldiers will perish. Which route should you choose?


The book says that, according to research conducted by two Israeli psychologists, it is more than likely that you chose route A in the first scenario and route B in the second scenario. Even though it was the exact same choice, the first question was framed to highlight a sure saving of two hundred lives, which makes it a choice hard to pass up for most people. On the other hand, the second question highlights the guaranteed loss of four hundred lives. When presented with a choice between a huge loss and a gamble with the possibility of saving all lives, most people are willing to take the chance rather than commit to a huge loss.

The authors explain that this is the same with our financial decisions. Quoting from the book – "In financial matters this phenomenon results in a willingness to take more risk if it means avoiding a sure loss and to be more conservative when given the opportunity to lock in a sure gain". I think that nails it!

Let’s apply it to our decision about the mortgage. I have mentioned before that we had made some bad decisions early on and were in considerable amount of debt before. It left a very bad feeling in our mouth. We worked very hard to get rid of it. So when we took on a huge debt like mortgage, and now have some money to spare, we frame the decision as the choice of whether to lock in the *guarantee* that we will reduce our debt, or take the chance that we *might* get better returns by investing it elsewhere. When the decision is framed that way, the choice seems to be to go for the guaranteed reduction in debt. While responding to a comment in an earlier post, even before I started thinking of this from a behavioral economics perspective, I had said, "Stretching the mortgage longer will make sense only if you can guarantee that the interest rate on your investment will be higher than your mortgage rate. Paying the minimum on mortgage and investing the rest in stocks/mutual funds etc can provide the higher rate of return but there is no guarantee. If the stock market crashes, you have neither the equity on the house, nor the stocks. With a huge loan like mortgage, I would rather err on the conservative side." That pretty much says it all.

Now think of someone who does not have a bad experience with debt but has a bad experience with a lost opportunity. Or someone who has had the sweet taste of making huge returns on a successful investment. The scenario looks different. They look it as the choice of the huge opportunity cost of lost interest versus a chance to earn good interest. In which case they choose to not pay off the mortgage, but rather invest the money in ventures that earn better interest.

That said, is one choice better than the other? Well, if we think of it from a purely rational point of view, our choice to pay-off the mortgage is the one that is wrong. But from a psychological perspective, the more conservative approach offers us more peace of mind. We are more relaxed about where we are going financially. Also, since we have a prior run in with debt and have a deep seated hatred towards it, I believe we work harder at scrimping and saving when we aim to get rid of debt. This gives us a better chance to succeed at our financial goals. In other words, some times what is right rationally, may not be really *right* if you are not psychologically prepared for it. So, one way or the other pick what's right for you and keep at it. As long as you are making progress - be it in reducing the mortgage or increasing your wealth through smart investments - you are doing good.

P.S.: The book that the example stories came from - Why smart people make big money mistakes and how to correct them – is really nice. If you had an "aha" moment when you read the stories, I definitely recommend that book to you. It's chock full of example stories like these, to explain the different concepts in behavioral economics.

Update 05/09/07: I mailed JLP @ All Financial Matters about this post and he put up an article about it on his blog. There is an interesting discussion going on there which you might want to check out, if this topic interests you.

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Steps to Avoid Foreclosure: What to Do When You Can’t Keep Up With Mortgage Payments

According to this news article 20 percent of the sub-prime loans issued over the past two years will wind up in foreclosure, perhaps driving more than two million families from their homes! If you are one of the unfortunate people snagged into a sub-prime loan or know of someone who is, and finding it hard to keep up with the mortgage payments, it is important to remember that a foreclosure can be avoided. You need to be aware of your options and take action to prevent your home from becoming a part of the above statistic. Here some steps to take to avoid foreclosure.

Avoid being in denial
If you are starting to feel the heat and finding it difficult to keep up with the mortgage payments, being in denial is one of the worst things you can do. Do not miss any payments. If you already have, do not ignore letters from the lender. The sooner you speak with the lender, the better are your chances of avoiding foreclosure. When it comes to foreclosure, the lender is on your side. They need your interest payments – your house is a big white elephant they don’t particularly care to own. So, first take stock of your financial situation and determine how much you can continue to pay. Next call your lender.

Ask your lender to reduce your interest
Here is a discussion on fatwallet finance forum that has a lot of information on whether it is possible (short answer, yes) and how to approach the lender to reduce the mortgage interest. In summary, a lender can reduce your interest rate without requiring you to refinance, through a process called Loan Modification (also called, streamline modification). Loan Modification allows the lender to reduce the interest rate while keeping the terms similar to your existing loan. However, it is up to the lender whether the start date of your loan remains the same as before or is reset (in which case, your payoff date will extend). Note that this is *not* the same as refinancing your mortgage and so you will not be required to pay any closing costs. (Check this article for difference between loan modification and loan refinancing). Not all lenders offer loan modification since the banks sell off their loans to mortgage pools or mortgage backed securities. But there is no harm trying and this should be one of the first things to do. Make sure you speak to someone in the “Loss Mitigation” department.

Ask the lender for “repayment plans”
If you are in good standing with regards to your payments so far and you have a good credit history, the lender may agree for differed payment. In this case, you are allowed to skip a couple of payments, but will have to pay multiple installments later. If you plan to add another stream of income (eg., take up second job, spouse can start working etc.,) this may buy you some time.

Try to sell your house
If you are not very much upside-down on the loan, you might want to try and sell your house before it gets uglier. It is a very difficult decision, but it is better to sell you house than let it go into foreclosure. Remember, foreclosure not only wreaks emotional disaster on you and your family, it will wreck your credit rating too.

If you are upside-down and cannot sell your house, but have a buyer interested in a lower sale price, speak to your lender about “short sale”
Lenders do not like foreclosures because the cost of putting the house for sale and recovering the costs is huge, and it is not their main line of business. So, if you can bring in a buyer who is willing to buy the house for a little lower than the debt amount, the lender may be willing to cut the losses by accepting the trade and writing off the difference. So, if you have a buyer, definitely approach your lender.

Look for foreclosure hotlines or other non-profit organization that can negotiate on your behalf
It may be possible for a third party to negotiate with the bank on your behalf. In such a case it may be possible to have the lender write-off a part of your loan, and refinance you for the remaining amount.

Once again, the earlier you realize that you are in trouble and look for ways to resolve the situation, the better are your chances of avoiding a messy foreclosure. Here are some additional links that provide information about avoiding foreclosure. Good Luck.


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Should You Get a 40 (or 50) Year Mortgage?

I recently read a post arguing that one should go for a 30 year mortgage when possible, but it is not that big a deal to go for 40 and 50 year mortgages if it is necessary. These very long-term mortgages are offered in some of the west coast cities and are touted as options for bringing home ownership within the reach of the common man. I had initially dismissed these types of mortgages as an exotic type of mortgage that not many banks offer, and even if they did, not many people will consider going for it. But I was quite surprised during my trip to California last week, when this topic came up while chatting with and a bunch of friends and it turned into quite a heated discussion. Here are some of the arguments and alternatives that some of us who were against the 40 year mortgage brought up, with some number crunching added in to make the case more powerful. I know some of you believe that 40 year mortgages are a blessing that can make home ownership possible for you, and I understand that if you have made up your mind, I could possibly not sway you. That said, please read through the arguments here before taking out a 40 year mortgage – if nothing else, you will know more about what you are getting into.

The interest rate is usually higher on a 40 year loan
Since the 40 year loan has 10 more years during which a person taking the loan can default, it is a higher risk for the banks. To compensate for this, the banks charge about a quarter of a percent point higher interest rate on 40 year loans compared to 30 year loans. So by going for a 40 year loan, you agree to pay a larger interest for a longer term.

Very little reduction in monthly payments
Going for a 40 year mortgage instead of a 30 year mortgage is not going to reduce your monthly payments drastically. Consider a loan of $500K. That will still not buy you much in many of the “hot” cities in California, but with the real estate market coming down, my friends aim for something in this ball park after putting 20% in down payment. A 30 year mortgage with a 5.75% interest rate on the 500K loan will result in a monthly payment of $2917.86*. On the other hand, a 40 year mortgage with a 6.00% interest rate will result in monthly payment of $2751.07*. That is a difference of $167 per month. That’s not a whole lot!

Too much additional money thrown away in interest
For the loan above, for the 30 year loan at 5.75%, the total interest (not including principal) is $550K* (yeah, my jaw dropped open too!). On the other hand for the 40 years at 6.00% the total interest (not including principal) is $820K*! That is a difference of $270K! In other words, you have 270K less saved up for your retirement (or other goals) and the bank is richer by 270K. I feel that is just not justifiable!

Takes a long time to build equity
The amortization of the mortgage means that in the first few years, most of your monthly payments go towards paying off the interest and a very small amount actually applies to the principal. For the 40 year loan, in the first monthly payment, $2500* will go towards paying the interest, while only $251.07* will be applied to the principal. What this means is that, it will take a long time for you to build equity. For instance, for the 40 year loan considered above, it will take you 11.5* years to pay down 10% of the principal. Compare that to 6.5* years that it will take for you to pay down 10% of the principal on the 30 year loan considered above.

Do you really want a huge monthly bill even in retirement?
How long do you plan to work? If you are like me, you want to be able to at least partially retire by the time you hit your 50’s (if not, much sooner!). Say you start working at the tender age of 20. By the time you retire (fully or partially) at 50, you will still have a decade more of payments to go! How do you plan to support your retirement, if you have a fixed monthly bill every month that is by no means a small amount? If you wait until your mortgage is paid off before retiring, you have to wait until you are 60. And if you buy your home later in life, which by the way, is more likely, add that many years to your retirement age! Still think that 40 year loan is juicy?

OK, supposing that you agree with me that it’s not a good idea to get a 40 year mortgage. How else can you afford a home in a market with these soaring house prices?

Buy an older or smaller house
For instance, if you are willing to spend ~$2750 per month on mortgage anyway (from the calculation above, this is the monthly payment for the 40 year loan), going for a 30 year loan with 5.75% interest rate requires you to stay to a loan amount of $470K* instead of the original $500K you were considering. Going for a slightly older home or a smaller one could possibly put a house in that price range, ridding the need to go for a 40 year loan. It may not be your dream home, but it can still be a decent starter home which you could possibly flip after a few years to buy a bigger/newer home.

Move to a different location where the house prices are not that high
The difference in interest alone of 270K between the 30 year loan and a 40 year loan is sufficient for you to buy a large 3000 sq ft. 4-bedroom mansion in Texas! No matter what anyone tells you, believe me, Texas is a very live-able state. Dallas and Houston are huge metro areas which can rival most other big metros in the US in terms of culture, nightlife and job opportunities (and, unfortunately, the traffic too). Austin is deemed the live music capital and is a medium sized city with a vibrant culture (They have a logo “Keep Austin Weird” - it’s true!). San Antonio is another wonderful option, but job opportunities for the techies may not be as abundant as the other cities. And that’s just Texas. There are a lot of other states that have cities with similar profiles and a very affordable housing market. So reconsider if you indeed want to be in the city you currently are in.

Rent out your basement or a spare bedroom
When I did an internship in California, I was hosted by a family in their spare bedroom. This is not an option for everyone, though. It depends on how willing you are to let a stranger into your house and how it might impact your privacy. Fortunately, I got along very well with the family and it felt like a home away from home. It was a single income family, and subletting the room helped them keep up with the monthly mortgage payments. I am not sure of the legal implications of this though. Since I was there for only a few months, I did not bother about it much. But if you consider this seriously, I recommend you educate yourself about the legal (and tax?) implications first.

Share the mortgage with someone
This one sounded very strange to me, and I personally would probably not be able to do it. But since it came up the other day, I decided I will mention it, and maybe some of you can provide more details. Apparently, in some cases, two friends get together and get one house, and share the mortgage. Most likely a split level plan. The kitchen and the living areas are “common” areas, while the bedrooms are owned “individually”. Also, I believe there are homes with two master bedrooms that support this kind of a deal. Again, this sounds very strange to me, and I have no idea of how this works. If you know more about it, please share it with me and the other readers.

So, the bottom line is, by getting creative you can find different ways to own a home even in a market where the house prices have sky rocketed, without having to resort to a 40 year mortgage. So, please think carefully before signing up for a longer mortgage term. Is the true cost really worth it?

*All calculations based on bankrate.com mortgage calculators.


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5 Financial Lessons I Wish My Dad Had Learnt

Don’t get me wrong, I really love my dad. It is not my intention to pass judgment on him. He did a great job raising and educating us. But he is close to retiring age, and has no retirement savings. He is very uncomfortable accepting money from us. And we can’t just sit by and watch him wear himself out at this age. If he had learnt some of these financial lessons early on in life, I think we could have easily avoided this whole uncomfortable situation.

  1. Savings are far more important than “prestige”
    My parents were not always at the lower end of the ‘middle class’ spectrum. At one time they were border line affluent. My dad had a fairly successful business. So they decided to build a house. With a ton of custom features, our house was like no other on the block. It had the most beautiful garden in the front, a huge yard in the back, fancy tile work, granite countertops, built-ins - you name it, and our house had it! Building the dream home however, turned out to be a lot more expensive than my dad originally anticipated. But, with everyone buzzing about how beautiful it was, he hesitated to back down. Instead he kept adding to the list of features. Slowly, all the money being made from the business was gone in maintaining the fancy house and an equivalent lifestyle it demanded. Until then, my parents were very diligent about savings, and had saved every penny to cover the original estimated cost of construction! But now suddenly all their earlier savings were gone and what’s worse, they were not able to save anymore money either. I wish they had learnt that savings were far more important than maintaining the “prestige”.


  2. Friends and money don’t always mix
    Around the same time, my dad made a second mistake. He co-signed for a business loan for his friend. To cut the long story short, the “friend” squandered away the money and defaulted on the loan. My dad was left with the short end of the stick. With very little savings, things soon started going down hill. First, the car was sold off. Then, parts of the business. Finally, the dream home. I think it broke him, and he never really recovered. How I wish, my father had realized that friendship and money don’t always mix.


  3. Working hard is not enough, working smart is equally important
    In the subsequent years, my dad worked very hard to recover. But with a broken spirit and a bruised ego, I think he found it very difficult to apply himself to his job. Long hours were spent trying to build one failed business after another. He is well educated and smart. Instead of trying to build back his losses with brute strength, if he had tried to use his intelligence and creativity, I think he may have been far more successful. I wish he had realized that working smart was as important as working hard.


  4. For a business to be successful, you need to have a cash flow
    During this time, as he went from one unsuccessful business to another, we were severely cash-strapped. I will forever remember how stressed out he always was, trying to arrange for funds to keep the business afloat for a little more time. What I will not understand is his insistence on staying in the entrepreneurial ventures. Like I said before, he is an educated man with a college degree. He worked in a bank before quitting his job to start his own business. Why not go back to a salaried job for a few years, save up some money that is needed to build a business and then return to the entrepreneurial world? I wish he had learnt that it is hard to run a business while being cash-strapped, and looked for other opportunities.


  5. No matter what, always put away some money for emergencies and retirement
    In spite of the problem with the business, my dad always made sure there was enough to feed, clothe and educate us. We did not spend on anything extravagant, but we had the basic luxuries in life. I don’t know if it was possible to cut back more, but if he applied himself to it, I am sure he would have found a way. For instance, he wanted to make sure we all got good education. And he achieved it. There are a lot of examples along the way, where I know he managed to find the money needed to pay for something that he was passionate about. I wish had had the same passion and discipline to save for the emergencies, and his retirement.



They say an apple does not fall far from the tree. I started out my adult life being as oblivious to financial issues as he was, believing stubbornly that if you are smart and work hard, success will find its way to you. I am learning now that there is more to financial success than just being educated or hard working. He did the best he knew, to raise and educate us. It is up to us now to pick up from where he left off, and ensure that we do not repeat similar mistakes as he did.

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Attitudes Towards Debt, Bills and Credit Card Arbitrage

Everyone has heard about making money using credit card arbitrage. (If not, you can read about it here). I finally got into the game last year, since that was the first time I had access to a 0% balance transfer offer on a large credit line. I don’t quite care to go through the arbitrage, if the returns are just a few hundred dollars – the effort and the management headache are just not worth it. But last year, with just three credit cards – two of mine and one belonging to the better half - we got access to $50K of credit at 0% APR. By adding $5K to it, we opened a CD for $55K and will now earn an interest of around $2K on it. I was very happy for being a smart enough credit card user and pulling it off.

The better half on the other hand, while glad to be making the $2K, is distinctly uncomfortable with the idea of carrying credit card “debt”, that too, to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. I have mentioned before (here and here) that we had a bad run in with debt earlier. That, and way he was raised makes him cringe at the thought of debt even if it is good debt (in my opinion). I managed to convince him to jump on board initially, but ever since, he has been bringing it up on and off in our financial conversations with se